THE EARLY HISTORY OF THE SHIER FAMILY

The Ancestors of George Krauskopf Shier

George D. Shier in collaboration with Anne Shier Klintworth and Nancy Shier Crocetti

The first broad genealogy of the Shier family descended from Hans Adam Shier was written by Florence Shier Roberts (FSR) – A Shier (Sheier, Scheuer) Family Record – and published in the Detroit Society for Genealogical Research Magazine in 1949 and 1950 in several installments. She included all descendents of Hans Adam Shier down to the time of publication, and corresponded extensively with family members to gather data. Since her study was published, much additional genealogical material has become available on the Shier family, and it is the purpose of this family history to update and correct the work of FSR with respect to the early generations. Particular attention has been paid to George Krauskopf Shier in the 5th generation, and ancestors in his line are underlined.

In 1709 there was a large emigration of people from the region of Germany then known as the Lower Palatinate, and Shier (Schyer, Scheuer, Sheuer, Shire) families are known to be among the emigrants. The Lower Palatinate was a fertile region straddling the Rhine River and including the major cities of Speyer, Heidelberg, Mannheim, and Mainz. Most of the Lower Palatinate is in the modern German state of Rhineland-Pfalz. This area has historically been a major wine producing region, but also produced flax, hemp and grains. The people were highly regarded as potential settlers on vacant lands due to their advanced farming practices, thrift and productivity.

Due to its location between France and Germany, the Lower Palatinate was repeatedly ravaged and plundered by wars in the late 17th Century and early 18th Century. The devastation led to emigration out of the area to other parts of Europe and to North America. Some groups of emigrants were led by their pastors, and societies existed to provide assistance in emigration. A “Golden Book” sponsored by the English Government was circulated in the Palatinate advertising the advantages of emigration to North America, and William Penn was active in recruiting colonists for Pennsylvania. The winter of 1708-9 was particularly severe, and caused great distress for people dependent on crops and animals. Consequently, in the spring of 1709 large numbers of people began to vacate their homes and travel down the Rhine River to Holland. The great majority were listed as husbandmen (farmers) or vinedressers with a scattering of skilled trades. That the reasons for emigration were economic distress rather than religious persecution is suggested by the fact that the emigrants included substantial numbers of both Catholics and Protestants.

The English Government was interested in Protestant emigrants, but rejected Catholics. About 13,000 Palatines were shipped from Holland to St. Catherine’s below London in eight parties. There are good records on the first six of these groups, and it is from these groups that the Irish Palatines were drawn. Among the emigrants listed on May 6, 1709, is John Adam Sheuer, vine dresser, age 35, with two sons aged 8 and 5 years, one daughter and presumably his wife. They are believed to have left Germany from the area around Speyer, but there is no documentation for this. The English government, having encouraged the emigration, was completely unprepared to care for the emigrants, and they suffered great hardship. About 3000 were sent to New York and 600 to the Carolinas.

In Ireland, landlords were Protestant and the tenants Catholic, and tenants were generally treated very harshly. Many estates had large areas of vacant land, and landlords were eager to find skilled, industrious, Protestant tenants. When the Palatines appeared in England, several of the Irish landlords appealed to the government to subsidize their settlement in Ireland, and the government agreed to provide funds to do this. About 3000 Palatines were transported in wagons to Chester, England, and from there ferried across the Irish Sea to Dublin, arriving in early September 1709. The Irish authorities were, again, unprepared to receive them, and it took about a month to gather a committee to decide how to settle the emigrants. In the mean time they were victimized by the local inhabitants who gave them counterfeit money, sold them watered milk, etc.

Settlement took place in the fall of 1709, and landlords were encouraged to provide preferential rents, food, housing and seed. Landlords were supposed to be paid a subsidy by the Irish government to assist in settling tenants, but many simply pocketed the money and left the settlers to shift for themselves. A leader among the more responsible Irish landlords was Sir Thomas Southwell. On his estate settlers were leased eight acres of land for each man, woman and child, and leases were to run for “three life times”. The lease holder named three people, and the lease ran until the last of the three died. As politically reliable Protestants, settlers were issued a musket and were enrolled in the local militia. Inclusion in the militia was an additional factor along with language, ethnicity and religion that set the Palatines apart and was resented by the Irish.

The performance of the landlords and the Government lagged promises and there was discontent and hardship among the settlers. By the spring of 1711, only 186 out of the original 533 families settled in Ireland remained on their allotments. On the Southwell Estate at Castle Matrix (Courtmatress), Rathkeale Parish, County Limerick there were ten families, and Sir Thomas encouraged resettlement of Palatine families which had been unsuccessful in settling elsewhere in Ireland.

The first complete documentation of Palatine families in Ireland took place in the summer of 1720 with a total of 185 families enumerated. Of these, 103 were on the Southwell Estate, and among those listed as heads of families is Hans Adam Shier. By 1720, the Palatines had established villages in their town lands, and were in the business of growing and processing flax into yarn and textiles.

The Palatines readily accepted the Protestant Church of Ireland, but were without their own minister so religious observance apparently dwindled until Methodism appeared. John Wesley made several visits to the Palatine settlements between 1747 and 1789, and much of the information we have on the Palatines during this time is from his observations. Wesley also recorded the crisis in the Palatine community on the Southwell Estate in about 1760 when the original leases began to run out, and large increases in rent were demanded. This event very likely caused the emigration of several members of the Shier family to New York. Wesley had great influence on the Palatines, and they remained largely committed Methodists after emigration to North America. The first Methodist church in New York was built by the Palatines. However, Henry (b 1830) and his family were Anglican until later generations.

Wesley described the Palatines as strongly exhibiting their German ethnicity, and as a “plain and artless people”. The roots of the Palatines were similar to those of other German Protestant movements of the time, such as the Amish and Mennonites, and “plain” suggests similarity to those groups. Wesley said that the Palatine communities were characterized by an absence of swearing, cursing, Sabbath breaking and drunkenness, and this strongly distinguished them from surrounding (Catholic) communities.

Most of the information given above on the Irish Palatine settlements is taken from “People Make Places” by Patrick J. O’Connor, published by Oireacht na Mumhan Books, Coolanoran, New Castle West., Co. Limerick, Ireland.

First Generation

Hans Adam Shier (Schyer); 1674, Speyer, Germany; d 1758, Rathkeale, County Limerick, Ireland.

Wife: Unknown

Probable Children:

Adam Shier; d 1792

Henry Shier; b 1701, Speyer, Germany

Charles Shier; b abt 1704; d Nov 1788, County Limerick, Ireland

Nicholas Shier; b abt 1710, County Limerick, Ireland; d March 1790, County Limerick, Ireland

Patrick Shier; b abt 1714, County Limerick, Ireland; d 13 January 1763, County Limerick, Ireland

Hans Adam Schyer is recorded on September 29, 1720, as a Palatine head of family living on the Southwell Estate, and it is assumed that this is the same Shier recorded in the London lists. The birth years of Hans and his two older sons are calculated from the London list. The Irish records of births, deaths and marriages are incomplete and have been interpreted in various ways by the people who have studied them. Anne Klintworth has looked at transcriptions of the existing records very carefully, and her genealogy will be followed.

Second Generation

Henry Shier; b 1701, Speyer, Germany; d 1758, Rathkeale, County Limerick, Ireland

Margaret; b about 1710; d 25 March 1748, County Limerick, Ireland

Children:

Henry Shier; b 1730, Co Limerick, Ireland; d 23 February 1814, Halfax, NS, Canada

Martin Shier; b abt 1735, Co. Limerick, Ireland; d 31 July 1815, Halifax, NS, Canada

Julius Shier; b abt 1737, assumed Co Limerick, Ireland; d after 1815, New York, NY.

Adam Shier; b abt 1743, Co Limerick, Ireland; d August 1743, Co. Limerick, Ireland

Mary Shier; b 14 March 1744, Rathkeale Parish, Co Limerick, Ireland; d 15 September 1832, New York City, NY

Ann Shier; b abt 1747

Margaret Shier; before 1748

Identification of Henry (b 1701) as the son of Hans Adam rests on a death record, and the known presence of a Shier family on the Southwell Estate. He is assumed to be the older son recorded in the London Lists. Little is known about Henry Shier (b 1701), but it is probable that he was a leaseholder on the Southwell Estate, Co. Limerick, Ireland. Births are recorded in Ireland for Mary and Ann, born to Henry and Margaret Shier. All the surviving children of Henry and Margaret are believed to have immigrated to New York between 1756 and 1761 as part of the larger emigration of Irish Palatines to this destination. It may be significant that Henry (b 1701) died at about this time, as his death could have caused termination of important land leases.

Third Generation – The Children of Henry Shier (b 1701)

Henry Shier; b 1730, Co Limerick, Ireland; d 23 February 1814, Halifax,(Halifax) NS, Canada.

(1) Catherine

Married; Ireland

Children:

Martin Shier; b before 1756

Henry Shier; b 1756, Co. Limerick, Ireland.

Margaret Shier, b abt 1763

(2) Elizabeth McDonald (Widow); b abt 1744; d February 4, 1807, Halifax, NS Canada

Married; January 18, 1769, Trinity Church, New York, NY

Children:

Henry Shier; b abt 1769, New York, NY; d January 12, 1837, Paterson, NJ

Ann Shier; b abt 1769; d December 9, 1811, St. Stephen, NB, Canada

Hannah Shier; b abt 1775; d October 17, 1830, Halifax, NS, Canada

David Mathews Shier; b February 28, 1779, New York, NY

Elizabeth Shier; b February 24, 1782, New York, NY

Thomas Shier; b June 6, 1788, Halifax, NS, Canada; d September 1789, Halifax, NS Canada

A child is born to Henry and Catherine Shier in Ireland in 1756, and this is the reason for assuming Henry’s first marriage was to Catherine in Ireland. This child was named Henry and apparently did not survive. A child of Henry’s second marriage was also named Henry (b 1769). Existing records do not provide a basis for a birth order for Henry (b1769) and Ann, but Henry’s (b1730) will lists his children in order of birth with Henry before Ann. It is possible they were twins. However, a hand written list of deaths in the possession of Jeff Shier indicates he was born in 1768 before Henry (b1730) married Elizabeth.

Henry is connected to the Irish Palatines by his name, along with his brother Julius, as signers of a Petition to the Crown in 1763 by the Irish Palatines for a land grant in up state New York. The land was not granted, but many of the Irish Palatines moved to the Camden Valley in New York about 1770.

The first records in New York of Shiers thought to be members of our family are in 1761. In a list of freemen of New York in 1761, Martin Shier is listed as cartman and cordwainer and Henry Shier listed as cartman. Cartman is assumed to be a teamster who made deliveries. Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary defines cordwainer as a person who makes shoes from Cordovan leather. In May 1761, New York Court records show that Martin, Henry and Margaret Shier are witnesses for the King in a charge of riot and assault against Vedine Elsworth. This suggests that these three Shiers were living in about the same place. The incident took place in the West Ward of New York where Julius Shier is known to have lived.

No death record for Catherine Shier has been found, but in January, 1769, Henry Shier married Elizabeth McDonald Beattie, widow, in Trinity Church, New York City. There is a record of marriage of Elizabeth McDonald and Robert Beattie, Trinity Church, July 2, 1763. This is possibly the first marriage of Elizabeth, and her ethnicity is presumably Scottish.

No record has been found linking Henry Shier (b 1769) to Henry Shier (b 1730). However, the will of Henry Shier (b 1730) filed in Halifax, NS, is strongly suggestive. The will lists Henry’s surviving children in order of birth as Martin, Margaret (wife of Alexander Munro), Henry, Ann (wife of Thomas Armstrong), Hannah (wife of Robert McMasters) and Elisabeth (wife of Augustus Tallack).

The Palatines in Ireland were principally an agricultural people, though they may have picked up skilled trades to supplement their incomes. Most of the Palatines remained committed to farming, as attested by their petition for land and move to the Camden Valley. The Palatines were also strongly Methodist. The Methodist records say there were schools in the Palatine communities, so the Shier emigrants may have been literate in German and/or English. In 1763, Henry and Julius seem to have regarded themselves as part of the Palatine community as they signed the petition for land. However, as the years went by, they separated themselves by adopting urban occupations and by their adherence to the Church of England. Politically, the Palatines were Loyalists and large numbers emigrated to Canada during the American Revolution; many to Ontario. The Shiers followed the Palatine tradition in this respect, but chose Halifax as a refuge. Henry Shier was one of 900 New Yorkers who signed the Memorial to Admiral Howe and General Howe in 1776 requesting the protection of the Crown.

Florence Shier Roberts (FSR) in her genealogy of the Shier family relates that Henry Shier was “in the Customs House in New York” at the outbreak of the American Revolution. This is supported by the record of Henry Shier as; “Measurer of Wood, Measurer of Grain, Measurer of Salt and Coal” in the list of Halifax Town Officers for 1806. This would be a Custom House job, and the British Government tried to give equivalent jobs to those officers of the Crown who had remained loyal and had lost employment as a result of the American Revolution. Records for the New York Chamber of Commerce show that in October, 1779, Henry Shier, with others, petitioned the Chamber of Commerce on behalf of the “Cartmen of New York” for higher rates for various kinds of loads. Loads and rates recommended were 2s 6d for a common load, 8s for a load of hay and 4s 6d for a load of rum, wine or sugar. This suggests that Henry occupied a fairly prominent position within the trade association of cartmen.

A story of the Shier family’s move from Ireland to North America that is consistent with the known records and the context of the times would begin with the emigration from Ireland to New York in company with many other Irish Palatines between 1756 and 1761. The principal cause of emigration was probably economic relating to increased rents and lack of job opportunities for expanding families. Emigration is very often a family affair, and this appears to be the case for the Shier family, as all of the known, living children of Henry Shier (b 1701) appear in New York. In New York the Shier brothers Martin, Henry and Julius are all listed as cartmen at various times. There is no way of telling whether they owned their own horses and carts, but the fact that they were able to buy property in Halifax after they moved there suggests that they accumulated some property in New York, perhaps horses, wagons, stables, etc. A significant business for cartmen must have been moving goods from the wharves to warehouses and businesses. This would have put them in regular contact with Customs Officers and the merchants of the city. FSR’s comment about Henry being in the Custom House at the beginning of the revolution is unsupported by any direct evidence. It is possible that it simply means that Henry’s business was transporting goods from the Custom House to the owners.

The Church of England was the church of the city’s social and political elite, and Martin and Henry may have chosen to worship there partly for social and business reasons. Henry’s marriage to Elizabeth was in Trinity Church, her first marriage may have been there, and they might have met there. Elizabeth is one of the enigmas of the Shier family. The McDonalds were a numerous family in both New York and Nova Scotia, and some members of the family were prominent.

New York was by far the most loyal of the larger cities of the American Colonies. After the British evicted George Washington and the Continental Army in the summer of 1776, the city was occupied by the British until evacuated in 1783 after the peace settlement. Those who had been loyal to the king had to decide whether they could make peace with the new government or to leave. Martin and Henry Shier chose to emigrate to Halifax, NS; Julius stayed. The sisters Mary and Ann also remained in New York with their husbands. At one time, Margaret and husband Joseph Bakewell owned property in Halifax, and are presumed to have been residents there. Henry took his daughters to Halifax, but there is no record that his sons, Martin and Henry, were in Canada. Martin was probably a young adult and perhaps on his own in 1783. Henry would have been about 14 at that time, and could have stayed with one of his aunts or his Uncle Julius. Henry was given a good education, and might have stayed in New York to further his education. An enigma is the Dr. John Shier who lived in the same area as our Shiers in New York, but no connection has been found to our family. A possibility would be that John Shier is actually Johann Martin Shier, the missing son of Henry and Catherine. Two of the children of the 4th generation, Henry (b1769) and Benjamin Robson, were trained as physicians. One suspects a family connection.

Martin and Henry apparently arrived in Halifax with some resources as there are records of purchases of property. “On Aug. 25, 1783, Henry Shier, Grocer, late of the city of New York,” paid 355 pounds for property in the town of Halifax. On Sept. 4, 1783 “Martin Shier, late of New York but now of Halifax, Merchant” paid 650 pounds for property in Halifax. In 1785 Henry petitioned for land from the crown at Harriet Fields, Nova Scotia, Canada, as compensation for loss of property in New York. The record says he had 1 wife and 4 children. The children are probably Margaret, Ann, Hannah and Elizabeth. There is no record of David Matthews Shier after his birth. FSR says that Henry (b 1769) did not go to Canada, but she also says that Henry (b 1730) died in a cholera epidemic in Halifax. There is no record of a cholera epidemic in Halifax at this time. Henry’s daughters Ann, Hannah and Margaret remained in Canada and their families continue. So far nothing has been found regarding Elizabeth after Augustus Tallack died and no trace of her four children has been found.

Birth dates for Henry and Elizabeth are calculated from the age given in their death records in Halifax. Henry’s will filed in Halifax gives his older surviving children five shillings as a bar against future claims against his estate. The bulk of the estate went to his youngest daughter Elizabeth, probably because she cared for him late in life. The headstone of Elizabeth and Henry Shier is in the “Old Burying Ground” in Halifax. It has broken off and been reset, so it is about half the original height.

Henry presumably began his life in a rural village in Ireland, a German island in a Celtic sea. He is assumed to have married there to another Palatine, and have emigrated to find greater economic opportunities. He was committed to the Anglican Church and to the King. These choices may have been influenced by his business connections and by his wife, as the elite McDonalds in New York were mostly Tories. Henry arrived in Halifax, a military garrison town much smaller than New York, in his middle years, and apparently established himself as a local merchant. He had family with him as his brother Martin and two of his daughters lived in Halifax after their marriages. He lived through exciting and changing times.

Martin Shier; b abt 1735, Ireland; d July 31, 1815, Halifax, NS, Canada

Eleanor; b abt 1733; d March 11, 1800, Halifax, NS, Canada

Married; Ireland

Children:

Francess Shier; b September 16, 1759, Stonevill Ireland; did not survive to adult.

Henry (b 1730) and his brother Martin were associates throughout their life, and Martin’s will (filed in Halifax) is a significant document in establishing family relationships. Having no surviving children, his heir was his niece Mary Winter presumed to be his wife’s niece. Mary may also have been his ward and have been the woman Henry (b1730) wished his son Henry to marry (see Henry b1769). Martin divided his estate into real estate and personal property, and made the condition that if Mary died before marriage, then the money from sale of the real estate should go to heirs named in the will. One fourth part was to go to the daughters of Henry Shier, late of Halifax named as Margaret Munro of New Brunswick and Hannah McMasters and Elizabeth Tullack of Halifax. One fourth part was to go to Julius Shier of New York or his legal representative in the case of his death. One fourth part was to go to Ann Foye, and one fourth part was to go to his nephew and niece William and Mary Eleanor Bakewell of New York. This establishes that Martin, Henry and Julius were brothers and that Ann Foye is a sister. One notes that a fourth Henry Shier daughter, Ann, is not named in the will, but she was deceased at the time the will was written. The Bakewells are the children of Martin’s sister Margaret. All of the nephews and nieces named as heirs spent some time in Halifax, and presumably would have been known to Martin.

Martin and Eleanor’s birth years are calculated from their age at death. The birth of their daughter, Francess, at Stonevill, Ireland, in 1759 suggests that Martin had left the Palatine settlement at Rathkeale by this time. Shier emigration to New York may not have been directly from County Limerick. The designation of Eleanor’s niece as the sole, primary heir to the exclusion of the Shier family in Martin’s will seems unusual. A possibility is that Eleanor brought a significant dowry to the marriage and that the property she brought was to stay on her side of the family. It is not known whether Eleanor was of Palatine ethnicity.

Julius Shier; b abt 1737, assumed Co Limerick, Ireland; d after 1815, New York, NY.

Elizabeth Bowman

Married; October 22, 1764, Trinity Church, New York, NY.

Children:

Catherine Shier; b October 21m 1779

Adam Shier; b January 23, 1782, New York, NY

Mary Shier; b May 28, 1784, New York, NY

Martin Shier; b March 16, 1786, New York, NY

The marriage to Elizabeth is based on a record, and Bowman is a known Palatine name. Catherine, the first child of record was born 15 years after the marriage, and in years subsequent to 1779, children were born at 2-3 year intervals. This suggests that there were earlier births of which we have no record. The names used are common among the other Shier families. Julius appears in census data in New York in 1790, 1800 and 1810, and Martin’s will places him in New York. He is listed as a Cartman, the same occupation as Henry. Some records have been found that may be marriages of Julius’ children.

Benjamin Robson; b abt 1740; d bef 1795, New York, NY

Mary Shier; b March 14, 1744, Courtmatress, Rathkeale Parish, Ireland; d September 15, 1832, New York, NY

Married; July 16, 1764, New York City

Children:

William Robson; b April 2, 1780, New York, NY

Benjamin Robson; b September 7, 1783, New York, NY

Benjamin Robson (b 1783) was a successful and well known MD in New York. He married Eliza Mary Bool, d April 6, 1860, in New York on May 1, 1813. They had three children of record; William Robson, Benjamin R. Robson and Mary E. Robson.

Martin Foye

Ann Shier; b abt 1747

Married

Children:

William Foye; b February 25, 1779, New York, NY

Martha Foye; b August 19, 1784, New York, NY

Joseph Bakewell

Margaret Shier; b bef 1748

Married

Children:

Mary Eleanor Bakewell; b bet 1784 – 1790

William Bakewell; b bet 1784 – 1790

Benjamin Bakewell; b bef February 1790, Halifax, NS, Canada

George Bakewell, b December 16, 1792, New York, NY

Mary Eleanor and William are established as niece and nephew of Martin Shier by Martin’s will. Joseph and Margaret Bakewell purchased property in Halifax in 1787 for 80£, and Joseph Bakewell sold this property to Martin Shier in 1796 for 200£. Joseph’s occupation is listed as Carpenter. Their son Benjamin is christened in Halifax in 1790.

Fourth Generation – The Children of Henry Shier (b 1730)

Martin Shier; b before 1756

All that is known of Martin Shier is that he is named in his Father’s will written in 1812, and assumed alive at that time. His early life was in New York, NY, and there is no indication that he was ever in Canada. Possibly he is the John Shier who lived near the Shiers in NYC – maybe Johann Martin Shier and he took the name John.

Alexander Munro; b abt 1754, Scotland; d March 27, 1828, St. John, NB, Canada

Margaret Shier, b abt 1763; d October 2, 1826, St. John, NB, Canada

Married

Children:

Eleanor Munro; b February 11, 1788, Halifax, NS, Canada; m John Mitchell, February 7, 1816, NS, Canada

John Munro; b July 14, 1790, Halifax, NS, Canada; m Sarah Mongavan, December 5, 1817, Halifax, NS, Canada

Henry Shier; b abt 1769, New York, NY; d January 12, 1837, Paterson, NJ

Barbary Ann Krauskopf (Kroskopf); b abt 1763; d October 31, 1855, Washtenaw County, MI

(1) Married; John Harvey, probably in New York City about 1777.

Children:

There were four children of this marriage one of whom died as an infant according to Eliza Shier’s letter. (FSR) No names are known.

An indenture dated in early 1796 says that John Harvey and Barbara had to sell all their property to pay off debts. Henry Shier (b1769) is listed as a witness on this indenture, and by April 1796 Barbara is shown as married to Henry Shier, living in Montgomery County, NY. The fate of John Harvey is unknown, but Barbara is referred to as the “widow Harbey(Harvey?)” when she married Henry Shier, suggesting that he died in the spring of 1796.

FSR quotes a letter of Eliza Shier; “Grandmother Shier’s maiden name was Krasukopf or Kroskopf. Her father owned an Inn and a large garden planted to vegetables, on what is now known as the Bowery in NYC. Grandmother was thirteen years old at the time the British bombarded New York City (1776). Her father locked Grandmother and her mother in the cellar to keep them from harm. Grandmother was very angry; she wanted to see the fight. Her first name was Barbary Ann. Her father forced her to marry a British officer when she was fourteen. This man’s name was Harvey. When Barbara Ann was nineteen years old she had four children and was a widow. When she was an old lady, she liked to tell her grandchildren how she gave Gen. George Washington a drink of water, when he stopped with members of his staff in front of her father’s Inn, after the British left New York City.” (1783) Since we can document that John Harvey was alive in the spring of 1796, the information in this letter seems imaginative.

(2) Married; Henry Shier, April 24, 1796, Minden Twp., Montgomery Co., NY, Dutch Reformed Church at Fort Plain

Children:

Elizabeth (Betsy) Shier; b February 23, 1797, Minden Twp, Montgomery Co. NY, c St. Paul’s Lutheran Church

William Henry Shier; b January 2, 1799, Minden Twp, Montgomery Co. NY, c St. Paul’s Lutheran Church

Juliana Susanna Shier; b February 12, 1801, Minden Twp, Montgomery Co. NY, c Lutheran Trinity Church of Stone Arabia (name changed to Palatine in 1773); d April 4, 1875, Dickenson Co., KS

George Krauskopf Shier; b April 9, 1803, Minden Twp, Montgomery Co. NY, c Lutheran Trinity Church of Stone Arabia; d Apr 17, 1875, Holland TWP, Dickenson Co., KS

Charles Newkerck Shier; b January 28, 1805, Canajoharie, NY; d January 28, 1883, Ypsilanti, MI.

Anna Barbara Shier; b October 14, 1807, Minden Twp, Montgomery Co. NY; c St. Paul’s Lutheran Church

David Shier; b September, 13, 1809; c Dutch Reformed Church at Fort Plain

Ann and her brother Henry both have approximate calculated birth dates in 1769, but there are birth records for neither of them. We assume that they are both children of Henry (b 1730) and Elizabeth; Ann uses both Henry and Elizabeth twice in naming her own children, once as a second name and once as a first name. Henry uses the name Elizabeth for his eldest daughter. Neither Ann nor Henry uses the name Catherine for their children. A hand written paper in the possession of Jeff Shier indicates Henry was born in 1768, which would make Henry either the son of Catherine or born to Elizabeth before she married Henry.

According to family letters quoted by FSR, “Grandfather Shier (Harry) was no businessman. He loved his violin, his books and his flowers. He was educated for medicine and the Episcopal Ministry. His father insisted that he marry the lady the father had selected and enter the Episcopal ministry. On the refusal to do either, the son was disinherited and married the girl of his choice.” His father’s will, found in Halifax, shows that all the older children were treated equally in the will with a small cash bequest. The lady referred to could have been Mary Winter, niece of Martin Shier. If Harry had married Mary Winter, it would have kept Martin’s property in the Shier family. Where and when Harry received his education is not known, but his education probably represented a significant investment by his parents.

One of the mysteries of this family is how Barbara and Henry came to be married in the Mohawk Valley of upstate New York. Since we know from the indenture that Henry and Barbara knew each other early in 1796, and that Barbara married Henry in April, social disapproval may have been a factor.

The first documentation we have on Henry is that he married “the widow Harbey” in 1796 in Montgomery Co., NY, west of Albany, and the Shier children were born in this general area. The family was there in 1811 because Barbara is shown as having received communion on Trinity Sunday, June 9, 1811, in the Stone Arabia Church. According to his son Charles’ obituary, Henry practiced as physician in Montgomery County, relocating to New Rochelle a little north of New York City in 1812 and entering into “business”. The reason for this change was given as “failing health”. Henry’s name is not found in the lists of physicians practicing in the New York area from 1804 to 1929. The family moved to Paterson, NJ, by 1825.

Barbara was about 33 years old when she married Henry, and she had seven children with him; a birth every two years, the youngest born when she was about 45. She moved with the families of her sons Charles and George to Washtenaw County, MI, and was living with her son George when she died at about age 92.

Thomas Armstrong; b abt 1760, England; d March 29, 1843, St Stephen, NB, Canada

Ann Shier; b abt 1769; d December 9, 1811, St. Stephen, NB, Canada

Married; October 30 1787, St Paul’s Anglican Church, Halifax, NS, Canada

Children:

William Armstrong; b August 10, 1788, Halifax, NS; d August 1788

John Henry Armstrong; b August 10, 1789, Halifax, NS; d September 8, 1786

Anna B. Armstrong; b March 21, 1791, Halifax, NS; d December 28, 1871, NB

Thomas Armstrong; b abt 1793, Halifax, NS; d January 4, 1854, St. Stephen, NB

Henry Armstrong; b abt 1794, NS; d June 10, 1882, St. Croix Parish, Charlotte Co., NB

Mary Elizabeth Armstrong; b abt 1796, Halifax, NS; d February17, 1858, St. Stephen, NB

Elizabeth Sophia Armstrong; b abt 1798, Halifax, NS; d July 18, 1830, St Stephen, NB

George William Armstrong; b 1799, Halifax, NS

David Shier Armstrong; b March 25, 1804, St. Stephen, NB

Hutchinson Armstrong; b March 20, 1806, St Stephen, NB

Hannah Armstrong, b April 25, 1807, Charlotte Co. NB

Thomas Armstrong emigrated from England to Halifax about 1775 and was apparently a successful business man. He sold his business in Halifax in 1796. In 1803 he moved to St. Stephens, NB as Sub Collector of Customs and Post Master. He lived the remainder of his life in NB, and was a respected person in the community.

Robert McMasters

Hannah Shier; b abt 1775; d October 17, 1830, Halifax, NS, Canada

Married; January 27, 1796, St. Paul’s Anglican Church, Halifax, NS

Children:

John Henry McMasters; b abt 1796, Halifax, NS

Elizabeth McMasters; b abt 1799, Halifax, NS

David McMasters; b March 17, 1812, Halifax, NS; d December 19, 1824, Halifax, NS

Thomas McMasters; b abt 1824; d February 11, 1829

Augustus Pellew Tallack; b abt 1776, Helston Co., Cornwall, England; d March 4, 1820, Halifax, NS

Elizabeth Shier; b February 24, 1782, New York, NY

Married; May 12, 1801, Halifax, NS, St Paul’s Anglican Church

Children:

Henry Shier Tallack; b March, 1802, Halifax, NS

John James Tallack, b abt 1803, Halifax, NS

David Tallack, b April 1805, Halifax, NS

Ann Elizabeth Tallack, b July 1807, Halifax, NS

Juletta Tallack, b abt 1811, Halifax, NS

The Fifth Generation – The Children of Henry Shier (b 1769)

Carus, Elizabeth Shier Husband; b abt 1800

Elizabeth (Betsy) Shier; b February 23, 1797, Minden Twp, Montgomery Co. NY, c St. Paul’s Lutheran Church

Married unknown Carus

Children:

Mary Elizabeth Carus; b abt 1825, New York

Other children are believed to have been born to this marriage, but Mary Elizabeth is the only one known. She married the noted portrait painter Charles Loring Elliott.

William Henry Shier; b January 2, 1799, Minden Twp, Montgomery Co. NY, c. St. Paul’s Lutheran Church

Easter Seeley

Married; July 16, 1822, Christ Church, Rye, NY

Children:

Elizabeth Shier, b abt 1823, New York

Juliana Susanna Shier; b February 12, 1801, Minden Twp, Montgomery Co. NY,

c Lutheran Trinity Church of Stone Arabia (name changed to Palatine in 1773); d April 4, 1875, Dickenson Co., KS

Aunt Julia lived most of her life with her brother George K., and died at nearly the same time he did in Kansas. She is buried in Poheta Cemetery, Dickenson Co., KS, next to her brother. FSR says she was remembered for her beauty and devotion to her parents. She is supposed to have been engaged to an English sea captain who was drowned shortly before they were to be married.

George Krauskopf Shier; b April 9, 1803, Minden, Montgomery Co., NY; d April 17, 1875, Holland TWP, Dickenson Co., KS, buried Poheta Cemetery, Dickenson Co., KS

Ann Tice; b September 17, 1808, New Jersey; d June 14, 1887, Detroit, MI., buried Woodmere Cemetery, Detroit

Married: March 5, 1828; Paterson, NJ, by Rev. J. Kennedy.

Children:

Henry Tice Shier, b Jan 15, 1829, Patterson, NJ; d June 7, 1907 Salina, KS, buried Poheta Cemetery

George William Shier, b April 27, 1831; d April 6, 1897

Julia Shier, b October, 28, 1833; d March 11, 1876

Anne Louise Shier, b July 19, 1836; d October 9, 1910

William Robert Shier, b November 21, 1839; d November 28, 1917

Frank Tice Shier, (According to his son Schyler Morris Shier, he changed his name from Peter to Frank, possibly in his late teens.) b October 5, 1842; d February 28, 1928

John Charles Shier, b December 9, 1845; d February 22, 1935

George K. was named for his maternal grandfather. He grew up in the New York, New Jersey area and worked as a millwright, perhaps in the textile business of his brother Charles. The mill burned, and both brothers decided in the 1840’s to move to Michigan which was then being settled by people coming from the East through the Erie Canal. George moved in 1843 and bought a farm near Ypsilanti, MI, where he lived until 1867, then moving into the town of Ypsilanti. About 1873, he sold his house in town and moved to Dickenson, Co., KS, where three of his sons, William, Frank and John, were living. His son Henry also moved to Kansas in 1873. In the 1875 Holland Twp., KS, census Ann is listed in the household of her son John Charles. George K. Shier does not appear in the census possibly because he died that year before the census was taken. By 1880 Ann is no longer living with John Charles. Possibly she has returned to Michigan although we have not found her in the census. All of George’s sons returned to Michigan except Henry, who remained in Kansas for the rest of his life. John Charles later moved to California.

George K. had no experience of farming, and was content to let his sons do the farming. He was a singing teacher and class leader in the Methodist Episcopal Church.

FSR says that George received letters from the British government inquiring about heirs of Henry Shier, late of New York City, who had inherited property in Halifax from a bachelor uncle. This property was supposed to have been seized by the British Government during the War of 1812, and restitution was finally being made. George did not respond to this, nor did he call it to the attention of his brother Charles who would also have been an heir. A notice of expiration was supposed to have been published in the Free Press, which came to Charles’ attention, and this incident “initiated a coolness” between the brothers that was never reconciled.

The bachelor uncle sounds like Martin Shier of Halifax, and he did die during the War of 1812. However, he was a British citizen, and his property would not have been seized. Henry Shier (b 1769) was not named as an heir in Martin’s will, so the only way that property could have come to George and Charles was as heirs in succession of one of the heirs named in the will. An unsuccessful search was made in the Detroit newspapers for these legal notices.

George married Ann Tice. Ann was a “remarkable woman, endeared to all.” She was supposed to be a descendent of Anneke Jans, who was at the center of a large litigation in the first half of the 19th Century regarding title to property in New York City where Trinity Church now stands. These suits were eventually thrown out as being without merit, but the litigation was supported by a large number of descendants and enriched the lawyers who expanded the number of suits and litigants as much as possible. George K. contributed money to support the legal action on his wife’s behalf. The genealogy association which focuses on the descendants of Anneke Jans was contacted, but no link between Ann Tice and the Jans family could be established. The closest contact was that the Van Blarcoms were in the same area in the Hudson River Valley as the Jans family at one point.

According to her death notice in the Detroit Free Press Ann was living on Montcalm St. West in Detroit when she died, and is buried in Woodmere Cemetery, Detroit.

THE TICE AND VAN BLAARCOM FAMILIES

Ann is the daughter of Peter Tice and Ann Van Blaarcom, married September 21, 1804 in NJ. In the 1850 census, Paterson, Passiac Co., NJ, there is a family consisting of Peter, wife Ann and sons Henry and Peter. It seems likely this is Ann Tice’s family. In 1850 she would already be married to Henry. According to Schuyler Morris Shier, Ann had a brother Peter.

Although the line of descent is not clear, Ann probably descends from the Van Blaarcom family who were numerous in Northern New Jersey in the early 1800’s. The first member of this family in North America was Lubbert Gysbertsen van Blaricum. On April 15, 1634, in Amsterdam, Lubbert contracted with Kiliaen van Renselaer, patroon of Renssaelaerwyck (on both banks of the Hudson River near Fort Orange, now Albany, NY). The contract was for Lubbert, then a 33 year old wheelwright and wagon maker, “to betake himself with his wife and three children at his own expense”; the patroon to pay expenses to the West India Company for passage on the ship de Eendracht (The Unity), then being made ready to sail to New Netherland. The contract provided for Lubbert to reimburse the patroon for the cost of passage over a three year period, which was to begin on Lubbert’s arrival in New Netherland. During this period, he could not quit the agreed upon service, could not work for others except through the patroon’s agent, and could not enter into private trading in furs, etc. Lubbert’s place of residence was to be chosen “with the advice and consent of the patroon’s agents where he can conveniently perform his work, namely his trade as a wheelwright and wagon maker, for which he shall take all the necessary tools with him from here at his own expense.”

Lubbert’s place of birth is Blaricum, about twelve miles south east of Amsterdam in the district of Gooiland. He married Divertje Cornelis. At the time of emigration the three children were Gysbert, 10; Thys, 6; and Jan 18 months. Lubbert’s account at Rensselaerwyck was opened on July 20, 1634. He lived at Bethlehem, just south of Albany, for several years. Lubbert’s account at Rensselaerwyck was closed in 1647, having run 13 years. The family then moved to New Amsterdam (later New York City) by 1648.

On December 5, 1654, Lubbert was given a Dutch patent for 50 morgen (100 acres) of land on Bergen Neck, below Cavan Point, now in the Greenville area south of Jersey City, NJ. Several of his sons and family members were living in the same area. The farms were likely occupied before this time, since Lubbert’s granddaughter Tryntje Oosteroom was married in New Amsterdam on August 16, 1654, and gives her birth place as New Jersey.

On September 15, 1655, after an Indian had been killed in New Amsterdam for stealing fruit from an orchard, a large war party of Indians terrified the residents of New Amsterdam for several hours, all of the Dutch soldiers being at the time on the Delaware River fighting the Swedes. The Indians then went across the Hudson where they killed or captured all that they encountered and continued down Bergen Neck. About 50 were killed and 100 captured of which the majority of the hostages were ransomed back from the Indians. It seems likely that Lubbert was killed in this raid, since his widow applied for permission to open a tavern in May 1656.

In the “The Van Blaarcom Family of New Jersey” by George Zabriskie two possibilities are given for Ann; Annatje b April 20, 1782, father Peter Van Blarcom and Annatje b December 27, 1787, father Anthony Van Blarcom. Both would both have been young women of marriageable age in 1804.

Charles Newkerck Shier; b January 28, 1805, Canajoharie, NY; d January 28, 1883, Ypsilanti, MI.

Elizabeth Ridgeway; b 1812, Ashton-under-Lynne, Lancs., UK; d October 31, 1862, Ypsilanti, MI.

Married; March 24, 1830, Paterson, NJ

Children:

Emma Shier; b bef 1832

William Henry Shier; b June 25, 1832, Paterson, NJ; d August 26, 1817, Bay View, MI

Eliza Ridgeway Shier; b July 1, 1834, Paterson, NJ; d January 10, 1907, Landrum, SC, bu. Tryon, NC

Charles Shier, Jr.; b June 27, 1838, Paterson, NJ; d November 2, 1864, Winchester, VA)

Daniel Ridgeway Shier; b March 4, 1841, Paterson, NJ; d September 7, 1911, Hudson, MI

Anne Beaumont Shier; b November 3, 1843, Paterson, NJ; d August 5, 1902, Petoskey, MI

Charles Shier grew up in the New York, New Jersey area, and married into the Ridgeway family who were manufacturers of textiles. Charles participated in this business, but the factory burned, and he moved to Michigan near Ypsilanti in 1845 to occupy a very large house that had been built by his father-in-law, Daniel Ridgeway. He was State Representative from Washtenaw County from 1855-1866, supervisor of Ypsilanti Twp in 1860 and alderman in Ypsilanti. Charles took religion very seriously, and two of his sons, William and Daniel, became ministers. His son Charles, Jr. was a Law graduate of the University of Michigan and died of wound received at the battle of Cedar Creek near the end of the Civil War.

THE RIDGEWAY FAMILY

Daniel Ridgeway was the youngest son of the Ridgeway family, who owned woolen mills in Lancashire, UK. He got in trouble with the government for being too politically outspoken, and fled with is wife, Anne Beaumont, arriving in New York on Christmas Day, 1818. In the US, he quickly reestablished himself in the cotton textile business, and his son-in-law, Charles Shier, also entered this business. Emigration to the west was very trendy in the 1830’s and 40’s, and Daniel decided to build a very lavish house on property near Ypsilanti, MI. This house and land was offered to his son, Charles, who declined the offer. His daughter Elizabeth and her husband Charles Shier accepted. They had little experience of farming, and this was apparently very difficult for them. A few years after Betsy died, Charles sold the farm and moved into Ypsilanti. FSR has a more extensive account of this family.

As with any genealogy, this is a work in progress. As new information becomes available, details will be added or corrected. Should anyone be interested in the source information for this family, they can contact any one of us at the following addresses:

George D. Shier

3322 E. Hubbard Rd.

Midland, MI 48642-7209

ShierGD@aol.com

Anne Shier Klintworth

P. O. Box 72

Hinckley, OH 44233

ashierk@yahoo.com

Nancy Shier Crocetti

7N731 IL Rt. 59

Bartlett, IL 60103

nshier49@yahoo.com

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72 Responses to “THE EARLY HISTORY OF THE SHIER FAMILY”

  1. Jeff Shier Says:

    I only scanned do to the late hour. Looks good. Can I give a shout out to the family about contacting this blog now?

  2. David Colton Says:

    My father was born Robert Frances Shier to Robert and Margaret Shier who died in the 1918 flu epidemic. As an orphan he took the name Colton……I was looking for great grandfather’s name in this history…he was Agustus Shier and he married a woman named Heloise Drake.

    • Stephen Fawcett Says:

      Hello David can you e,mnail me may havce some information for you. I have not been able to get a reply from your e.mail address

      Stephen

  3. William T. Shier Says:

    A very intresting read of the Shier Family history. I have spent my entire life on the West Coast where the Shier name is not very common. I would be intrested in stories of other family members who migrated to the Western part of the USA.

    • D. A. SHIER Says:

      D. A. SHIER
      HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
      TAHITIWAVE@MSN.COM

    • William E. Shier Says:

      Hi Bill,

      My name is William E. Shier and I live in Cadillac, Michigan. My father was William J. Shier and his family is from Petoskey, Michigan. George C. Shier is my Grandfather. I had a great Uncle William H. Shier who lived in Stockton, California. He was born in 1870 in Michigan. I can’t trace him any further than that. His parents were John Shier and Elizabeth Rowntree. They died in 1902 and 1907 respectively and are buried in Greenwood Cemetery, Petoskey, Michigan in Emmet County.

      If you have any information on William H. Shier I would appreciate it. My direct email is: wshier61@gmail.com

      Thanks,

      Bill Shier

    • George Shier Says:

      I am George Shier, and I live in Midland. We often head up north on 115, and pass a nice home south of Cadillac on “Shier Lane”. Is that you? We have wondered if you were a related Shier, and based on the above it seems unlikely that you are descended from the Shier brothers, George K. and Charles who emigrated from NJ to Michigan about the 1840’s. Maybe a descendent of the Canadian Shiers?

  4. William E. Shier Says:

    I live in Cadillac, Michigan. My Father was William John Shier. He was the middle of five boys; George C., Robert, William, Richard and James all born and raised in Petoskey, Michigan. Their Father was George Shier and their Mother was Amy Elizabeth Shier (Horton). Does anyone know if there is any connection to this Shier Family that is written about here?

    Thanks,

    William E. Shier

    • genealogygirl Says:

      I just realized I never replied to your post. Do you know where your grandparents were born? I suspect you may be part of the Canadian Shier branch. Any additional info you could give me might help firgure it out. I don’t have your family in my file but I also don’t have the Canadians in there. One of the Shier descendants did live in Petosky. Watson Snyder III who was married ti Anne Beaumont Shier. But their descendants are Snyders not Shiers.

  5. Rosemary Cutbush Says:

    Rosemary Cutbush, daugher-in-law of Muriel Shier of Big Bay, Ontario, Canada, her father was William Wesley Shier. We have a Shier reunion every Sunday of the Labour Day weekend in Owen Sound, ON. And members of our branch of the family have done significant work on the genealogy.

  6. Toni Raugust Says:

    Hello. I am a relative of the Shier family. Sarah Shier (Conn) Kirk I live in Manitoba Canada. What a rich history we have.
    Toni

  7. Marianne Williams Says:

    I am the grandaughter of Wilfred Allen Shier son of William Shier of Big Bay, Ontario Canada.
    William came to homestead in Big Bay after this area was opened to settlement after about 1850. (not and exact date), He traveled with his wife Susan (Mclean) and one child Allen who subsequestly died, from Cannington, Ontario Canada. He was a member of the “Shiers of Brock Township”, Ontario Canada.
    The community where they farmed near Cannington is still there and there is a private cemetary with the original settlers’ headstones intact, on one of the farms.
    These Shiers immigrated from Ireland and came directly through Halifax to Brock County but ealry in the 19th century, maybe about 1845 (not and exact date).
    There is a completed genealogy which is continuing to this day.
    Yes, there are many Shiers.

    • Drew McKerlie Says:

      Brock? From what I’ve found I believe mine are from the same area? john Switzer and Mary Jane?

  8. William Shiers Says:

    Hello I am a Shiers and live nova scoya canada. I live on the eastern shore,in a place called moose head. and actually live out by the sea shore on a point calles Shier’s point. you can find it on a map of nova scotia.it is located in the 11d 16 c second on a topographic property map of nova scotia.our famly back ground is German Swiss,and also French.as far as I know our ansestors came here in the mid 16 hundreds,with the acadian explorers.

    • genealogygirl Says:

      Hi there,

      I know that there were Shiers (with an s) in Nova Scotia at the same time my Shier family was there. I don’t think the two names are related except possibly back in Germany. My Shier family went from the Palatine area of Germany to England and then to Ireland in 1709. About 1760 Henry and siblings came to New York City. In about 1783 they left for Halifax (because they were loyalists.) It would appear that your Shiers were in Nova Scotia long before my Henry and his brother Martin arrived.

      I am planning a trip to Nova Scotia this summer. I have been there once just for a day trip from Maine. I am really looking forward to it.

      Anne

  9. William Shiers Says:

    Hello Anne, just a note to you from me. I just received your reply to me yesterday. I have two daughters that live in,Halifax and Darthmouth Nova Scotia.. so I am forwarding my Daughter Faith Shiers eamail adress to you. you might wish to contact her. the adres is as follows deepforestfaith@yahoo.com she is the famley member who does genealogical research. she has been searching for any shiers famley line’s over the years. sincerly yours WilliamShiers in easter nova scotia.

  10. genealogygirl Says:

    Thanks for the email address. I will send your daughter an email. Possibly she has come across some records that are connected to Henry and Martin Shier while they lived in Nova Scotia. Thanks again.

  11. William Shiers Says:

    just read your reply. your welcom for the info,maby my daughter Faith can find connection’s to your famly line. sincerly yours william

  12. Nancy Martin Says:

    Hello, My great grandmother is Syrenia Shier who married William Charles Newton. They lived in Newmarket, Ontario, Canada and had 9 children. It appears that we decend from Adam Shier (b. 1749), grandson of Johann Shier of Germany. Adam’s grandson, Nicholas (b. 1801 in Limerick, Ireland) came to Canada where he died in Camden, Lennox & Addington, Ontario in 1890.

  13. Lynne Brown Says:

    Hi Nancy….your great grandmother was my grandfather’s sister. His name was John,and he was the youngest of the family. I have a few photos – if you’re interested email me at estefaniuk@yahoo.ca. I have the same lineage info as you, but can’t positively confirm beyond the Nicholas you mention.

  14. Helen Shier Says:

    Hi Nancy I have just touched on the Shier family history and wondered if you deal with anything from Australia. My husband is John Richard Shier and was born in Western Australia. Do you think there might be a connection to any of the above. I can supply some detail but not too much about earlier generations.
    Regards Helen Shier

  15. margaret ross Says:

    my husband is a decendant of the shiers who came to brock. there are several people collecting the family history. because some of them, over the years had very large families and there are thousands of desendants

  16. Andrew Says:

    My Name is Andrew Shier. Son of Robert Shier. Nephew of Stanley Shier (Wife Betty Shier)

  17. Laura Shier Says:

    I am a Shier from Wisconsin, and the family story is that there were four brothers who came down from Canada; two went to Wisconsin, one to Michigan, and one to South Dakota. My great grandfather was Joseph and landed in Wisconsin. When I moved to Portland, Or, i was contacted by a woman who told me her husband was a Shier (he was deceased), and his story was similar to mine about the four brothers. Problem is that I can’t find any information about Joseph Shier beyond his settling in Wisconsin. Marriage records with parentage are not clear-literacy issues? Anyway, wondering if anyone can trace back from Joseph – not sure what year he came down but late 1800s.

    BTW, loved the information on your site, and I would love to be able to make the connections from our branch to yours if that is the case.

    • Roger Shier Says:

      HI Laura, have you checked the shiergenealogy.ca website? Joseph ( 1831 to 1891) who married Elizabeth Chambers emigrated from Ireland to Perth County Ontario and then to Wisconsin in 1883. Joseph Sr. died in Wisconsin in 1891.

  18. maggieannthoeni Says:

    Neat to read (well, scan – would take more time than one quick evening allows to actually read) such detail, including anecdotal tid-bits beyond ‘begats’! I am of the Krauskopf ‘strain’ and am amazed at ‘coincidental shadow patterns’ that emerge and may be replayed generations later; (parental intentions rejected with disinheritance the result as in case of someone in abundant info above; patterns in given names also.) By the way – Poheta Cemetery is in Saline County Ks, Solomon Township, I believe, (said in text to be in Dickenson). Am further intrigued (enchanted?) at Irish connection as I lived in Canada for a time and met a Catholic Canadian of Irish descent out of Saskatchewan – his rural roots in Sask. included connection in a farming town that had at least one Shier family (can’t recall name of town or given names of the Shiers there.) He also had family ties to the Palatinate region of Germany! I also knew a Krauskopf family in Canada who lived in a settlement of immigrant displaced Sudatens and quite likely of no connection. At the time I knew the Canadian K. family I had no idea there was a Shier connection so didn’t check it out. What a LOT OF WORK you’ve gone to on this! I’m impressed!!! Thank you!!

    • genealogygirl Says:

      I would be interested to know about your Krauskopf family. Barbara Krauskopf’s family disappears from NYC after the Revolution. I have not been able to find them after that. I know what happened to Barbara but not her parents. I think there is a post on the blog about correcting the family stories about her. My email is ashierk@roadrunner.com.

      Anne

  19. Stephanie (Shier) Clifford Says:

    How interesting….I see my great great grandfather listed above.

    William Henry Shier; b June 25, 1832, Paterson, NJ; d August 26, 1817, Bay View, MI

    • genealogygirl Says:

      WOW! I am always hoping a real live relative will post on my blog!! My great great grandfather was age ogre Krauskopf Shier, brother of your William Henry. We share great great great grandparents Henry and Barbara Shier.

      I can send you lots of information if you are interested.

      Do you have any ancestor pictures?

      I’d love to hear from you.

      Anne

      • genealogygirl Says:

        DEAN ALLEN SHIER
        HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
        TAHITIWAVE@MSN.COM

      • DEAN SHIER Says:

        Hi,

        Thank you for the message. I would love to see any photos or information you have. Photos from my side of the family are in Michigan.

        D. A. Shier

      • genealogygirl Says:

        Most of my photos are posted here on my blog and also most of the information I have on our family.

      • D. A. SHIER Says:

        I remember as a child my father taking me to the downtown Detroit Public Library genealogical section and looking through public and historical documents.

        I was very young, but there was an old glass photo slide of one of my grandfathers in a drawer in a brown envelope, I don’t remember which one, and several original documents. This was in the early 60’s.
        Hope there still there.

        D. A. Shier
        Huntington Beach, CA
        Tahitiwave@msn.com

  20. Margaret Ross Says:

    So it is with this History that my information stops pretty well. My history follows the Canadian history. So here is a lot of information that I do not have thanks

  21. Betty Fox Says:

    Greetings,
    I don’t think I’m related to the Canadian Shiers but I’ve looked everywhere else. Figgered I’d give this a shot.
    My ancestor was Aaron Shirer/schirer/shirah. I believe he was born in South Carolina but there is some talk among the kin that he immigrated from Switzerland. He married Mary Zeagler in Charleston in 1842 and gave birth to Alice Shirer Green, James Magnus Shirer, and an L E A Shirer. Aaron served in the Confederate Army 1861-1863 and I believe he died in or soon after the war. I’m trying to locate his parents.
    Any ideas?
    Betty Fox

    • genealogygirl Says:

      I would guess you are not part of the Canadian or my Shier family unless your family is connected in Europe. Where does the 1860 census say he was born? You may have to try to find something in Switzerland. Possibly some of the Palatines from the 1709 migration ended up in Switzerland. Possibly someone has done some research on that.

  22. Betty Fox Says:

    Hello,
    In 1860 Aaron Shier is listed as A J Shier born in South Carolina with Mary Shier as a wife and Anna, Allice, and Agness as children.
    Thanks for your reply. Hopefully, someone has some info on him.

    Betty Fox

  23. Ed Shires Says:

    Can anyone link the “Shier” family line to the “Shires” family line out of Rowan County, North Carolina, in the mid to late 1770s? Specifically, I’m seeking information about the ancestors of Christian Napoleon Shires (b. 1771 in Rowan County, NC). I suspect “Shires” is the Anglicization of the German Palatine name “Scheuer” (or a variation of), but I have been unable to connect the dots from the German Palatinate to North Carolina. Christian’s father may have been Evan Shires (b. 1730), but I am not sure that is true. All help would be appreciated. Best regards.

    • Allie Says:

      Hi Ed, I too descend from Christian N. Shires and am unable to trace his parentage. I wonder how your research is going into the link to Evan? The possible Palatine connection is not one I’ve heard before — have you learned more?
      Allie (Shires) Golon

      • Ed Shires Says:

        Unfortunately, I have nothing new regarding the parentage of Christian Napoleon Shires. Given that Christian married into the Sears family that emigrated from the Palatinate region of Germany, combined with my understanding that in the 1700s Germanic speaking emigrants tended to stick together early on (i.e., not mix with English speaking emigrants for the first few years after arriving in America due to language difficulties), I tend to think that Christian N.’s heritage was likely similar to his wife’s heritage. If this is so, the spelling of Shires may likely have been Scheuer or Scheuers in Germany (the “eu” pronounced “i” in English), but this is speculation on my part. Once the non-English speaking emigrants arrived in America in the 1700s, English speaking immigration office workers (perhaps in Philadelphia where many of the ships arrived) documented the newcomer’s last names as they heard them spoken, thus the Anglicization of their last name spellings. Please pass along what you learn about Christian N.’s parents. Thanks. cousin.

  24. Drew McKerlie Says:

    Descendant of John Switzer Shier. Robertstown, limerick to Kincardine, ontario. Parents poss Adam shier 1770 and Mary Switzer 1778?

  25. Betty Fox Says:

    Greetings,
    I have narrowed the family down to two brothers who came across from Germany (possibly Wurzburg) by way of London on the ship Planters Adventure. Fallout from the despicable Christian de Stumpel fiasco.http://www.upamerica.org/roots/roots2.html
    Anyhoo, Paul and Michael landed in South Carolina in 1764/5.
    Is there any way to find birth records for Paul Scheurer and Michael Scheurer in Germany? I have no idea how to do that. I don’t have the parents’ names. Paul was born abt.1735 and Michael was born 1743.
    Thanks for any help anyone can offer.
    Betty Fox

  26. Margaret Ross Says:

    I have Hans (John) Scheuer and his wife margaret 8 children but I don’t know how accurate my information is. I have
    Henry 1706 to 1769 6 children no John or Micheal
    Patrick 1703 to 1763 5 children a john
    Julius 1705 to 1774 no children
    Bartholomew 1706 2 daughter
    Adam 1720 to1792 4 sons, 3 daughters son John 1755 to 1846 He seems to be out of line He married a Mary Switzer
    Nickolas 1725 to 1790 3 sons and 4 daughters
    Charles 1725 to 1788 3 sons and 7 daughters
    John apparently one of triplers born 1725 died at birth
    John 1727 no info probably died at birth also.

    These people all settled in around the Rathkeale area in Ireland
    But my husbands line all mostly immigrated to Canada

    • Roger Shier Says:

      Hi Margaret, could you contact me at shiergenealogy@gmail.com or through the Shier Family Tree Facebook page. Someone who was on the Palatine Tour of Ontario in Sept 2013 is wanting to contact you. I was contacted by the Irish Palatine Special Interest group of the OGS. Thanks Roger Shier

  27. Drew Says:

    Margaret are you on Facebook? There is a group dedicated to the Canadian Shiers with a lot of info and pictures.

    Dmckerlie@hotmail.com they actually have a yearly reunion. Last weekend was the 91’st

  28. Mary Drexler Says:

    Looking for information on John Shier who came from the Czech Republic in about 1874. He and his wife Mary and two eldest children immigrated. The settled in Ohio and had about 12 children. One of their children, Ann is my husbands grandmother. She married Mathias Drexler. Feel free to email me msd0418@aol.com

  29. Betty Fox Says:

    Mary,
    I have found Madeline Shier(1 July1902 in Ontario) aged 18 living with Roy E. Wood after his wife Clara Shier’s death in 1919. Madeline is listed as Roy E. Wood’s Niece in Law. Madeline’s father is Norman Edward Shier(b 1874 Ontario, Canada) and her Mother was Elizabeth Jane Squelch(b.23 Oct. 1874 Ontario).
    I think that Norman might be John’s brother? Madeline doesn’t belong to any of Anna Drexler’s brothers or sisters. I’ll keep looking but perhaps John’s parents lived in Ontario, Canada and John immigrated from there to Ohio?

    Betty Fox
    *sorry email is down today*

  30. Tracy Shier Says:

    Hello, I am Tracy Shier, daughter of Morris Cecil Harvey Shier. His father was Wilmot Oliver Shier. HIS father was Wesley John (or John Wesley) Shier. Brock township was where Wilmot was born. I would love to see or hear anything you may have about our little branch in this massive tree!

    Thank you 🙂 ( I have a few pics to share too! And I have documents from the archives with info as well)

  31. Jen Lee Says:

    My stepdaughter’s paternal great great grandmother was Nellie (Ellen?) Shier or Shire, born 1872 in Canada, who died 1953 in Seymour, Outagamie County, Wisconsin. I assume that makes her a descendant of the Canadian Shiers but I’m not sure. I’m surprising my stepdaughter with a family ancestry album for Christmas, but need help figuring out which Shier line to follow now. Our Nellie Shier immigrated to the U.S. in 1883 and married a farmer, Frank John Hogle, who also had immigrated from Canada around 1888. (Frank Hogle was born 1871 Canada; died in 1933 in Seymour, Outagamie County, Wisconsin.)

    I think Nellie’s parents were Joseph Shier or Shire born in 1831 Limerick, Ireland married to Elizabeth (Chambers) born 1835 in Ireland. I also think Joseph Shier’s parents were Adam Shier (born about 1800, died about 1867) and Elizabeth Teskey (born about 1802), but all the records I’ve seen so far are unsourced so I don’t want to include them until I’m sure. Does anyone know who Nellie Shier’s parents were? And which Shier line they descend from? There are a lot of similarly named Adam Shiers who seem to have so many different dates of birth that I’m at a loss. Can someone help me on this?

    Thank you so much!
    Jen Lee

  32. Mary Sanford Drexler Says:

    Madeline is the Twin of Mat

    So the rather sad story:

    John Junior (1876-1915) married Julia in 1898 at the age of 22. They have twins Madeline and Mat in 1901. Julia dies at the age of 25 from TB in 1906. The twins are only 5 years old. John remarries to Rosa, but I have found a grave that shows her passing in 1906 as well, so this might have been a devastating year for John Junior. John dies in 1915 at the age of 39 and thus Madeline is living with her uncle in 1920 (Roy Wood and Clara Shier Wood). Clara dies in 1920.

    Madeline marries George Johnson in 1920.

    Per 1930 census in Clare Michigan, George and Madeline are living with their 3 children and Madeline’s twin brother.

  33. Mary Sanford Drexler Says:

    Please email me msd0418@aol.com and I will send some photos

  34. D. A. SHIER Says:

    FYI
    The Shier’s of Michigan directly fought N. C. rebels at Gettysburg.

    And won.

    D. A. Shier
    Huntington Beach, CA
    Great Great Great grandson of Frank Tice Shier
    THE TWENTY-FOURTH MICHIGAN Iron Brigade

  35. Margaret Toss Says:

    Hi Roger thanks for your email. I met the Palatine bus with my sister in law not far where she lives and I finally got to meet Debra Switzer whom I had been talking to for quite a while but I seem to have lost track of her. Is this who is looking for me.
    Margaret

  36. Margaret Ross Says:

    I have a lot of info on the families.

  37. Margaret Ross Says:

    Sorry spelling mistake my right name is Margaret Ross

  38. Margaret Ross Says:

    Hi Roger I was trying to get on the legacy into site or whatever it is called but I find legacy too complicated to follow, did you hear anything back from the person who was trying to find me.

  39. Brooke Says:

    Hi. I am from Canada and these Shiers Palatinates from Limerick are my ancestors. One of my grandfathers wife is a Shier, Rachel Shier. Her father was Nicolas Shier and mother Anne Fitch (second wife). She married an Adam Doupe which I think is from Ireland as well. If you have any information that would be great.

  40. Margaret Ross Says:

    Hi Here is what I have on an Ellen Shier

    Hans (John) Scheuer 1674-1758
    Margaret

    +
    Charles Shire 1725 -1788

    +
    Christopher Shire 1755-1776
    Bridget Wrightson
    +
    Henry Shier 1777-
    Mary Corneil
    +
    Corneil Shier 1808-1893
    Ellen Henderson
    +
    Henry Shier 1838 – 1885
    Jane Miller

    +
    Ellen Shier

    And that all I have on that one. No guarantee that any of this is right though.

    I also have an Ellen Shier
    A sister of Henry above who was born in Feb 1851 in Brock Twp On. Canada and who died I Huron Co. Mich. USA
    Sounds like this may be the one you are looking for, no guarantee on any of this

  41. Lindsey Shier Says:

    I’m Lindsey Shier. Daughter of Paul Shier. Grand-daughter of Gordon Shier. They were born in the United States. I was born in Germany, because my father was in the military (U.S. Army). Could the Shier family tree be royalty perhaps?

  42. Betty Fox Says:

    Where in the United States was Gordon born? My elusive family was from South Carolina.

  43. Rhiannon Shier Says:

    Starting to try and find out my ancestry, I live in Wales. U.K. Not too many of us here so am hoping to find out about any relations out there :).

    • Alison Porter Says:

      Hi-
      Mary Edmond the oldest woman in the British Empire d 1915 age 105 was daughter of David Shier or Shiers of Aberdeen.
      I could not figure out how to attach the article.

      I’m from the Huntly/berwick Scotland Shiers.

      • Rhiannon Shier Says:

        Hi.
        I know I have ancestors from the Orkney isles just off Scotland, but as yet have not found any that I can get in contact with. Thanks for this I will look in to it

        Kind Regards

        Rhiannon

  44. Carolyn VanKampen Says:

    I am a descendant of Anne Shier and Thomas Armstrong. Great research you have done on this family. One small correction – this couple lived the latter part of their lives in St. Stephen, New Brunswick area – not St. Stephens (no s). It is in Charlotte County. Many descendants still reside there. My grandfather was born and raised in St. Stephen, NB. Thanks!

    • genealogygirl Says:

      I know they lived in New Brunswick. Can you tell me where the error is so I can correct it. I have New Brunswick in my family file. Thanks for the info. Anne

    • Roger Shier Says:

      Carolyn, I have been able to include some of the Armstrong descendants of Henry Shier (from New Brunswick)
      on my website, shiergenealogy.ca

  45. Jodi Galick Says:

    I have a couple of old photos of the Shier Family, children of Sir John II and Catherine Shier. My great great grandmother was a Shier-Margaret (married a Francis)
    Jodi Galick
    Northern Ontario

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